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Avengers 2 - Age of Ultron (2015)

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Keuner:
Der Tesseract wurde am Ende von Avengers nach Asgard gebracht. Thor 2 deutet darauf hin, dass er sich noch immer dort befindet.

Quill:
Jep, ich glaube, das wird sogar in AoU kurz erwähnt. Thor will ja das Szepter samt Stein nach Asgard bringen, weil es dort hingehört, ich glaub, da erwähnt er auch das Tesseract.

Ludovico:
Ich muss gestehen, dass ich mit dieser Dame zu Teilen uebereinstimme:
https://medium.com/@sady_doyle/age-of-robots-how-marvel-is-killing-the-popcorn-movie-1e21b231f73a

Selganor [n/a]:
In welchen Teilen denn? (Und in welchen Teilen nicht?)

Ludovico:
Ich stimme insbesondere hiermit überein:

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1 Too many characters. This is standard Marvel strategy — they go by the premise that all it takes to gratify their base is dropping a name that’s familiar from the comics, and so far, it’s paid off — but the never-ending quest to “improve” each movie by adding a sidekick, and another sidekick, and three villains this time, plus that other superhero you might know about if you read every Avengers comic from 1971 through 1973, has resulted in a movie with, by my count, fourteen central characters. The movie is only 141 minutes long; that might seem lengthy, but if you were to somehow divide it up so as to give each character an equal amount of uninterrupted focus, you’d only have around 10 minutes for each character. In practice, you get less than 10, because
 
2  No matter what, Marvel’s structure mandates at least one fight scene every 20 minutes, and most of the time, those characters aren’t having in-depth discussions while they fight. This has to happen even though we almost always know how those fights will end, because
 
3  The movie also has a pre-determined narrative, which we know because it’s the same narrative every Marvel movie adheres to, which is, roughly: There’s a thing and a bad guy and the bad guy steals the thing, so they fight. They lose one fight and then they lose another fight and then they win the last fight. The end.
 
4   We also need to end the movie in such a way that all of the characters with ongoing franchises can go back to those franchises, alive and more or less unchanged.

5   So, once Marvel’s formula has deprived the movie of (a) time for the characters, (b) the potential for the story to unfold in a surprising way, and (c) meaningful consequences, we then get each character’s maximum 10 minutes of focus (which is now more like five or six) cut down even further, with ads for other Marvel products. In Age of Ultron, we lose several minutes of valuable time that could be spent developing our characters to visit Wakanda and establish Andy Serkis as a villain, not because he’s important to the plot — he’ll totally disappear after this one scene — but because there’s going to be a Black Panther movie. Thor has to be taken out of the action for a while so that his scientist friend can help him hallucinate the premise of Infinity War. Captain America gets a flashback that doesn’t relate to the plot, but does remind you that he used to date Peggy Carter, who you can catch every week on ABC’s own Agent Carter! Etcetera.
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Extrem viel verschwendetes Potenzial finde ich. Diese Zwischensequenzen über die Psyche der Charaktere hätte man meiner Meinung nach besser ganz weglassen sollen, weil diese wurden nicht genutzt und nun wirken die Charaktere noch flacher.

Auch ihre Meinung zu den Arcs der einzelnen Charaktere ist für mich gut nachvollziehbar und ich stimme dem zu (insbesondere zu Tony Stark).

Bei dem Teil über Sexismus hab ich aufgehört zu lesen.

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