Sehr cool, aber 150€ mal eben so...
Ich glaube die bekommen eine Klage an den Arsch...GW ist da wenig zimperlich :(Da dachte ich auch dran, aber die Rechte müssten ja eigentlich bei MB, jetzt Hasbro liegen.
Da dachte ich auch dran, aber die Rechte müssten ja eigentlich bei MB, jetzt Hasbro liegen.
Regarding the copyrights;
- They can't put the boxes in the shops of foreign countries, but they can sell it worldwide and send it legally.
- Hasbro is probably waiting for the success of the campaign to be interested in" (They keep saying they are in contact with Hasbro).
EDIT: Korrektur: StarQuest wurde auch von MB und nicht von Games Workshop rausgebracht.
Background concerning suspension of Gamezone’s Kickstarter campaign
We want to give some background on the dispute surrounding Gamezone’s Kickstarter campaign to launch a remake of the hybrid board game/roleplaying game originally published by Milton Bradley called “Heroquest”.
Last week, Moon Design petitioned Kickstarter to remove the crowdfunding campaign for Gamezone’s “Heroquest” game. “Heroquest” is the registered US trademark of Moon Design and is the name of our “Heroquest” roleplaying game and assorted products. To allow a game using the same name to be promoted in the United States through Kickstarter without a license would be an unacceptable dilution of our brand and create market confusion to our detriment.
The trademark “Heroquest” is registered by Francis Greg Stafford with the United States Patent and Trademark Office (Registration Number 4082281) for use in game book manuals. Moon Design Publications LLC has the exclusive license for use of that trademark. For some time now we have been working on creating a board game called “Heroquest” pertaining to the mythology of Glorantha and an updated version of our Heroquest roleplaying game.
The project by Gamezone, a Spanish game company, proposes to remake a role-playing/board game originally produced by Milton Bradley and Games Workshop in 1989. The project calls their game “Heroquest” which is identical to our registered mark and easily confused with it.
Gamezone initially asked us for use of the Heroquest trademark on July 31, 2013. The next day we asked them if they could provide us with a copy of any written agreement with Hasbro to produce a 25th Anniversary Edition of Hasbro’s board game. Gamezone did not provide us with any written confirmation (and as of this date still has not done so). On August 26, 2013, we informed Gamezone by email that we must decline their request.
Despite being explicitly refused permission to use our trademark, Gamezone went ahead and launched this Kickstarter. As a New York State corporation, Kickstarter is subject to US trademark laws and the use of our trademark in the campaign was a violation of those laws.We told Gamezone that they needed to immediately get a licensing agreement from us (which, among other things, would require that they pay us for the rights to the name since it would mean foregoing our opportunity to release our game using our trademark and to compensate us for that lost revenue).
Gamezone did not get back to us within the period we set, and rather than have this end up in litigation (which could also bring in other parties with IP at stake), we asked Kickstarter to suspend the campaign. We then spoke to Gamezone informing them that we had certain non-negotiable demands for any license agreement, among them a statement that Gamezone has explicit permission from Hasbro to make this game based on their IP. Gamezone has assured us that they can get such permission, but until we see confirmation, we cannot responsibly license our trademark to be used in this Kickstarter campaign.
We sympathize with the fans of the Milton Bradley game who enthusiastically supported this project. We strongly support Kickstarter and the revitalization of old games with a loyal following. However, such activities must be done with the consent of the trademark holder and of any other legal owners of the property.
Hm, ich finde 65€ (+ Versand) für ein Spiel in so einer Big Box eigentlich ok.Das kommt sehr stark drauf an. Wenn man bei Kickstart ein Ausfallsrisiko mit einberechnet - und hier halte ich es für besonders groß - dann ist man schon ganz wo anders.
New Update about KS paused situationIch glaube ich las schon einmal besseres englisch ^^;
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GAMEZONE Communiqué, Saturday 30
We would like to inform you all about the present situation, after the pause of our Kickstarter project by Moon Design P. during the thanksgiving holiday, which is an administrative petition within Kickstarter.
Yesterday, Friday, at the start of the day, U.S. east coast time, we sent a letter to Kickstarter, LINK invoking our legitimate trademark rights so they would deactivate the pause and let us progress in the fund raising campaign. We are waiting for Kickstarter’s reply on this matter.
Simultaneously we, Gamezone and Moon Design P., had a reunion to discuss this issue face to face as and not email exchange as was what was happening up till now.
Moon Design P. solicited the pause in Kickstarter because of fear that Hasbro could act against Gamezone in our crowed funding because we are using an American company on American soil. Their argument was that Hasbro could act against them as well for not impeding us in this project. Even thought they are not in any way included in this project or affiliated with it.
If Kickstarter does not reactivate the pause taking into account our letter ( indicated above in the link), then it can only be reactivated if Moon Design P. asks them to. For Moon Design P. to do so they are asking for two things: An official letter from Hasbro in which it states that they, Hasbro, will neither act against our HQ25th nor Moon Design P. They, Moon Design P., have also demanded a considerable sum and percentages from the Kickstarter project.
If we wait for Hasbro to make a declaration, which we can solicit, weeks or even months could pass. With that our production and creation calendar would be severely affected, as not having the funding to continue the campaign.
If the Campaign does not restart soon, the HQ25th will not be ready for Christmas 2014. It will not be ready to celebrate its anniversary.
There exist 3 possible solutions to this conundrum.
1. Kickstarter reactivates the project attending to our petition
2. Wait for Hasbro to declare that they are not against this crowed funding campaign of HQ25th en Kickstarter (an American Company).
3. Immediately move the crowed funning to a platform within Europe, where no risks of legal repercussions exist.
Option one; we can only wait, we cannot be sure that Kickstarter will lift the pause. We cannot influence their decision any more than we have already.
Option two; Hasbro is not obligated to do anything at all.
Option three; here there is no risk, except of course we will raise less funds, no other platform out there at this moment has the same public pull as Kickstarter.
Why are we telling you this? As our backers, what would you like us to do?
Das Moon Design nicht erwähnt wird, wirkt ein bisschen als nachtreten.Dem Text nach zu urteilen ist GameZone der Preis für die Lizenzierung von Moon Design einfach zu hoch. Deswegen scheidet die Möglichkeit von vornherein für GameZone aus.
Punkt 3 wirkt etwas nach einer Räuber-Taktik.Sicherlich. Aber nach dem Text zu urteilen ist das der einzige gangbare Weg.
Hier nochmal der Link zu der Email, die im Text erwähnt wird: http://www.heroquestclassic.com/KS_Carta.pdfDie Argumentation seitens Gamezone ergibt nicht unbedingt einen Sinn?
Naja, man kann ja nicht an etwas zugrunde gehen das man nicht macht bzw. machen darf ~;DSo wie sich das liest, könnte demnächst das eine oder andere Gericht dazu gerufen werden und dann wird es richtig teuer.
Die Ereignisse haben mich ei wenig überrollt, woduch ich meinen Heroquest Kickstarter Artikel noch vor Veröffetlichung überarbeiten musste.Ich würd dich ja nochmal an den Schreibtisch schicken, weil:
Update about KS pause (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/update-about-ks-pause/)
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Dear Backers
Last Friday we were surprised by the pause placed on our kickstarter Project of HQ25. We wrote a communiqué to you, which was also posted on our site heroquestclassic.com. In our letter we tried to communicate to you in the clearest fashion what was happening and as well to share with you all, our petition to kickstarter to have the project reopened. To do all of this publicly was to us the correct way for you as our backers to be informed of the situation and the most correct and transparent way to communicate with you as well, as our backers you have the right to know what was going on with this project.
We have done what you have ask for, we have waited in silence for KS’ answer. It has arrived. KS would prefer to keep the project on hold and wait for us to come to an agreement with third part.
The KS answer can be seen at this LINK.
KS’ position does not agree with as at all. The situation produced by the pause of the project has been harmful.
We do not feel that our legitimate rights over the Trademark have been protected and above all we do not wish to do business with third part under threats or duress of any sort. As a result we are proceeding to solicit KS to cancel our project on their platform.
Is this the end of HQ25? Of course not! Keep reading!
We accept the all of the respectful critics that has come our way because we learn from these things and if someone thinks differently they are free to express those opinions. What we do not accept is the disinformation y distortions that have been happening during the project's pause on KS in which we have remained silent and waited.
During these past few days our creative design crew has still been working on the development of various components, the same as always, the idea being to not lose any energy with this controversy.
The thirteen on the gallows, as we have fondly started calling the 13 professionals that are implicated in the creation of the project, have as a priority the development of this commemorative game.
We are truly more worried about you, the backers. We want thank you for the messages of support that have been rolling in. The public reaction to the news of a new edition of this classic provided undeniable and sincere joy to many. We will hold onto this as the rout to follow.
After this communiqué is sent out we will proceed to ask KS to cancel the project on their platform. After this is done we will immediately restart and continue the HQ25 project. More info at heroquestclassic.com. Therefore the HQ25 project will return to active status. We will move from victims to survivors and conquer as we go.
We understand that KS has a larger public base than any other crowed funding platform today; we understand that moving the project to another site will mean that out backer support will decrease. However we are ready and willing to continue this campaign in a place that will offer us the correct guaranties for our trademark. We would prefer to raise fewer funds and still move forward with and produce it in time for the 25th anniversary.
We await your support and enthusiasm in this renewed crowed funding campaign.
Again, we would like to thank our backers from the bottom of our hearts, please do not regret supporting us. Let us all together get this back on track and make this dream a reality.
Gamezone Team
Gamezone hat nach eigener Aussage die Rechte für die Produktion und Vertrieb eines HeroQuest Brettspiel in Spanien.
Gamezone hat vor dem Kickstarter Kontakt zu Moon Design aufgenommen.
Moon Design hat die Rechte am HeroQuest Rollenspiel und ist dabei ein Brettspiel mit dem Namen HeroeQuest zu entwickeln. Das Brettspiel hat wohl ausser dem Namen und Genre wenig bis nichts mit dem Original gemein.
Es gab eine Kommunikation zwischen Moon Design und Gamezone. Moon Design forderte hierbei von Gamezone eine schriftliche Genehmigung von Hasbro vorzulegen sowie einen Anteil an dem entsprechenden Einnahmen.
Gamezone erstellte das Kickstarter Projekt obwohl sie weder die Genehmigung vorlegen konnten noch bereit waren Moon Design entsprechend zu beteiligen. Wohl im Wissen darum das Moon Design das nicht stehen lassen konnte.
Moon Design wandte sich an Kickstarter, belegten ihre Rechte und argumentierten das die Finanzierung eines (englischen) Produktes über eine amerikanische Firma, auf einer amerikanischen Plattform ihre Rechte verletzt.
Kickstarter nahm das Projekt herunter.
Gamezone traf sich mit Moon Design. Moon Design wiederholte die Forderungen auf die Gamezone nicht eingegangen ist.
Gamezone verfasste weiterhin eine Mail an Kickstarter bei der sie darstellten das die Produktion sowie der Firmensitz in Spanien liegen und der Vertrieb auf Spanien konzentriert sei.
Kickstarter verwies darauf das sie das Projekt nicht freischalten werden bis die rechtliche Lage geklärt ist.
Gamezone bat daraufhin Kickstarter das Projekt vollständig einzustellen und gab an auf eine europäische Plattform umziehen zu vollen.
Verkami aktivierte das Projekt und um etwa Sonntags 2:19 morgens hatte es 14.000€ versammelt.
Verkami deaktivierte das Projekt nach 2 Stunden.
Gamezone behauptet am letzten Sontags seit einer Woche mit Verkami in Kontakt zu stehen. Als Grund gaben sie an das Verkami Image Sorgen wegen des Internet-Auffuhr/Kontroverse hatte.
Verkami behauptete das Gamezone kurzfristig auf sie zugekommen sei und nach einer sehr schnellen Live-Schaltung gedrängt haben.
Gamezone hat darauf hin das Vorhaben in das Auge gefasst das Projekt auf der spanischen Plattform Lazanos.com zu starten.
Crazy Eights (plus one): Nine questions with Mike Selinker about HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition (http://gamingtrend.com/2014/01/09/crazy-eights-plus-one-nine-questions-mike-selinker-heroquest-25th-anniversary-edition/)Leider steckt da nicht viel mehr dahinter als die diffusen Ängste eines Spieleentwicklers.
Ein ehemaliger Hasbro-Spieldesigner wird zu HeroQuest gefrsgt, u.a. zu den Risiken des Projekts.
Ich verstehe nicht ganz wieso sie nicht nur die Miniaturen machen.
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/
Ich bin echt erstaunt, das die trotz all der Probleme wieder kurz vor der 400.000€ Marke sind.
Ich bin erst erstaunt, wenn die Investoren ein zufriedenstellendes, physikalisches Produkt in Händen halten ...+1