Thema: Schreiben wir ein Fantasy-PbtA also selbst...

[Olibino]

Vanilla-PbtA-Spiele haben dezidierte Moves, mit eindeutigen Triggern und entweder ist der verwendete Stat fest verdrahtet oder es wird kein Stat verwendet. Die SL soll also niemals sagen: "Würfel mal auf..." Moves sind für alle am Tisch klar erkennbar. Wenn es keinen dezidierten Move gibt, wird nicht gewürfelt. Moves, in denen nicht gewürfelt, sind anders herum aber fein.

Kurz: Alles, was aussieht wie Defy Danger, missfällt mir. Defy Defy Danger!

Wenn du kein Defy Danger willst, einen Move mit dem man alles abenteuerliche abdecken kann, warum willst du dann Rituale, einen Move mit dem man alles magische abdecken kann?

Zauberer spezialisieren sich doch typischerweise. Gandalph und Radagast konnten unterschiedliche Zauber wirken.
Es gibt doch nicht umsonst Nekromanten, Hexen, Elementaristen, Illusionisten, Druiden, Schamanen usw. . Wenn man 2 Zauberer in der Gruppe hat, möchten die sich doch auch voneinander abheben können, welche Art von Zauber sie beherrschen, genau so wie wenn man einen Dieb und einen Kämpfer in der Gruppe hat.

Wenn du nicht für jeden Zauberspruch einen eigenen Move haben möchtest, wäre ein Kompromiss - analog zu Masks - dass jeder Magiekundige unterschiedliche Schulen der Magie beherrscht. Dann könnten man einen einzigen Move "Ritual" haben, mit dem man aber nicht alles kann, sondern nur Magie wirken in den Schulen die man gelernt hat. Das würde auch die Option eröffnen wie "Alle Zwerge beherrschen von Natur aus Steinmagie" oder so.

[Ninkasi]

Oder der Zauberer müsste über entsprechende "Beschreibungen"/ Tags / Hintergrund etc. verfügen, um einen entsprechenden Spruch auszuführen, Mali zu verhindern, Boni zu bekommen, wie auch immer. Macht "Vagabonds of the Dyfed" es nicht irgendwie so? Aber ich glaube die hatten da immer auch Magiepunkte und Hitpoints im System.

[Holothuroid]

Wenn du kein Defy Danger willst, einen Move mit dem man alles abenteuerliche abdecken kann, warum willst du dann Rituale, einen Move mit dem man alles magische abdecken kann?

Du kannst dich auf bestimmte Zauber spezialisieren. Wenn du eine Formel hast, bekommst du +1. Es sind auch Playbook Moves denkbar, die dich immer zu einem passenden Ort für bestimmte Zauber machen. Also ja, sowas geht.

Aber das Problem bei Defy Danger ist ein anderes. Defy Danger stört den Spielfluss. Moves sind entweder eher heiß oder eher kalt. Heiße Moves passieren häufig und dann gern in Action-Szenen. Heiße Move sollten ohne viel Diskussion sich abwickeln lassen. Deshalb haben sie fest verdrahtete Stats und hinten raus entweder feste Ergebnisse oder Optionen zur Auswahl. Du willst bei einem heißen Move nicht viele Gedanken machen.

Kalte Moves sind dafür, Kontext zu schaffen. Sie können ganz gezielt zu gewissen Diskussionen anregen. Sie kommen eher selten und in ruhigeren Szenen vor. Das was ursprünglich mal die Werkstatt in Apocalypse World war und sich über das Ritual des Magier in DW und den Ritualen in DW2 zu dem Ritual-Move hier geändert hat, ist ein kalter Move. Wir loten dadurch während des Spiels aus, was Magie kann. Das ist für ein Pickup-Spiel wie hier vorgesehen ganz günstig. Ich will nicht lange im Voraus darüber diskutieren, was Magier können. Dafür hab ich schon LGTMS geschrieben.

Und nochmal: Man kann nominell keine Zauberer in der Gruppe haben. Weil alle zaubern können. Und jedes Playbook bekommt etwas, dass auf die eine oder andere Weise bestimmte Zauberei besser macht. Einen speziellen Illusions-Move habe ich für den Zwerg/Gnom in Planung. Der nutzt dann auch nicht das Ritual als Basis.

[Holothuroid]

Zu den Soldiers of Fortune: Frag doch, WARUM jemand viel Geld braucht.

Danke noch mal für den Vorschlag. Im Verlauf, als ich anfing die Playbooks auszufüllen, ist mir nun klar geworden, dass das einfach nicht zum Rest passt. Also wir das erste Streichopfer in diesem Projekt. Das macht ja aber auch nichts. Wir haben mit der OSR ja quasi ein ganzes Genre, das das ausfüllt.

Aber OK. Ich hab jetzt zu allen Origin und Ancestry Playbooks (Ursprungs- und Abstammungsspielbücher?) zumindest Ansätze. Bei den Ursprüngen sind noch ein paar dazugekommen. Vorab einmal ein paar inspirierende Figuren.

The Heir: Argagorn (Herr der Ringe), Meldor (Havenstar), Maryam Khaimov (Pale Lights)
The Recluse: Rayla (Dragon Prince), Fiyu (Weirkey Chronicles)
The Rat: Tristan Abrascal (Pale Lights), Jinx (Arcane),
The Nomad: Davron Storre (Havenstar), Han Solo (Star Wars), Frieren (Frieren)
The Runaway: Frodo Beutlin (Herr der Ringe), Keris Kaylen (Havenstar), Wei Shi Lindon (Cradle), Luke Skywalker (Star Wars), Calem (Dragon Prince)
The Emissary: Gandalf (Herr der Ringe), Eithan Arelius (Cradle), Ben Kenobi (Star Wars)
The Dependable: Samweis Gamdschie (Herr der Ringe), Sammy Krappweis (Havenstar)

Runaways gibts wie Sand am Meer. Dependables sind auch regelmäßig dabei. Und Olibino hatte mit dem Hinweis auf Gandalf natürlich total Recht. Wir wollen sterbenden Mentor. Überraschend für mich war, dass ich total viele Recluse-Kandidatinnen finde, aber nur ganz wenig männliche Charaktere.

Vorab aber einmal den aktuellen Stand der Basic Moves, sonst machen die Playbooks teilweise keinen Sinn. Da ist aber noch viel im Fluss. Insbesondere die Stats. Die festzutackern macht aber erst Sinn, wenn der ganze Rest steht.

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Basic Move


Help a team mate

When you help a team mate, you may spend 1 Team from the pool to pitch a roll they just made by +1.


Care for a friend

When you care for a friend, roll +Graceful. On a 7-9 choose 1, on a 10+ choose two.

• They clear a Suffering.
• They take +1 forward.
• Add Team to the pool

Ask for aid

When you ask for aid, take +1 for every yes, then roll.

• Your endeavor is in their best interest.
• You will make it worth their while.
• You already have a good reputation with them.

On a 10+, they will do what they can.
On a 7-9, they might be frightened or lack motivation. Their aid is limited and not to last.[/list]

Take in a scene

When you take in a scene, roll +Cunning. On a 10+ ask three. On a 7-9, ask two.

• What here can I use to...
• What here is not as it seems?
• What are they not showing?
• What do I remember about...

Harry or hackle

When you harry or hackle enemies, roll +Cunning. On a 10+ pick two. On a 7-9 pick one.

• You stay safe.
• You divert their attention or path.
• You provide an opportunity for an ally.

Sneak

When you sneak past a danger or follow unseen, roll +Graceful. On a hit, you get where you are going. On a 7-9, you don't have long or there are problems on the way out.


Stand

When you stand in defense of something or someone, to bar path or hold on to something, roll +Mighty. On a 7-9, you stand: Protected they are, pass they shall not and no force will move you. On a 10+, pick one:

• It doesn't hurt much.
• You add Team to the pool.

Run

When you run, take +1 for every yes. Then roll.

• We know the terrain.
• We're fine with splitting up. (When you're alone, the answer is No!)
• We run for our lives.

On a 10+, you all get away. On a 7-9, someone might end up in a bad spot.[/list]

Fight rabble

When you take on a group of lowly rabble, roll +Mighty. On a hit, you win. On a 10+, pick one:

• This is cheery. Add a Team to the pool.
• This is interesting. Learn something useful.
• This is good training. Take +1 forward.

Engage a worthy opponent

When you openly engage a worty opponent with comparable weapons, roll +Graceful. On a 10+, pick two. On a 7-9, pick one.

• You come away clean.
• You garner their respect.
• You make them hurt.

Strike true

When you use an opportunity or bane to strike true, roll +a stat of your choice. On a hit, you hurt them. On a 10+, choose one.

• You come away clean.
• You hold on and gain an opportunity to use yourself.
• You impair one of their abilities or take away one of their weapons.

Rituals

When you plan a magic ritual, explain what you are going for and the GM will tell you how many minutes/hours/days the ritual will take. When you go through with it, take +1 for every yes and roll.

• The effect could be done without magic, though it might take longer.
• You have a handbook or formula for this specific ritual.
• This place or time is suited for this magic.

On a 10+, it works. There might be minor side effects, but they are temporary and not dangerous. On 7-9, mark a Curse or bring an appropriate sacrifice.[/list]

Spend time in the wildernes

When you spend time in the wildernes, traverse an unsafe place, or are simply lost, take +1 for every yes, then roll.

• We are prepared for the local conditions in clothing, food and whatever necessities.
• We have a map, a guide or personal knowledge of this area.
• We are just looking around.

On a 7-9, things are mostly fine. Take -1 forward to these rolls until you can rest at a safe haven. If you want to go somewhere specific, you will reach there shortly.
On a 10+ you can also pick one.

• You meet someone interesting.
• You find something curious.
• You find a comparably comfortable place to rest. Someone can clean a Curse.

Dann einmal die Origin Playbooks, wie oben beschrieben. Ich möchte da so auf 5 Moves pro Playbook. Mal gucken, ob das klappt. Nach hinten raus ist noch eher dünn.

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The Heir

Your family used to in charge, once of time. Will it be you to bring it all back?

• What are you the heir of?
• Who else has claim?
• What would change, if you were in charge?

Ancient Contracts - Choose three rituals. You have formulas for them and drawing on relations with certain entities, you can perform them faster. Days become hours, hours become minutes, minutes become mere moments of quiet.

Heirloom Weapon - You own an artful weapon. Once per session, when you strike true, take +1. Also pick one: It glows when enemies are near. It cuts through almost anything.

Upper Class Talk - When you Ask for Aid from nobles and dignitaries, take +1.

Leadership - Once per session, when you give directions to a teammate and they heed your call, they may ignore the penalty of Curses to their next roll.


The Recluse

You learned many things during your studies. Do you want to be back there?

• Where did you study? A monastery, a sacred grove, a lone mistress on a mountain,...
• Who do you miss from there?
• What appeals about the outside world?

Esoteric Combat Style - You have an esoteric style of combat. You might have a superhardened fist, breathe fire or spray magic missiles. You are never unarmed. You may fight rabble with +Graceful, instead of +Mighty.

Educated - When you take in a scene, you may always ask: What do I remember about... Even on a miss.

Words of Power -  You can cast a planned miracle right here and now with excalamating some words of power and waving your trusty implement. Afterwards mark additional Curses. 1 Curse for a ritual taking minutes, 2 for a ritual taking hours, 4 for ritual taking days.

World of Iron - When you abhor the cruelty of the outside world...


The Nomad

You see a lot of places. What are you looking for?

• How did you start travelling?
• What do you do as you travel?
• What places do you have fond memories about?

Animal Companion - You have a trusted animal companion. It understands human language, though it can't speak. Pick two basic moves it is useful with and hold 2. Spend hold as if it were Team, if your companion could help. Reset Hold when time passes.

Hero of ... - You are known for a great deed. You may decide how great the deed really was and whether it is yours. You have fans all over. Probably at least one in a medium sized settlement. You may make suggestions to the GM. When you ask a fan for aid, step up your result. They might want an autograph.

Good Show - You know how to captivate a crowd. Roll +Graceful. On a hit pick one.

• Onlookers are captivated, offering a chance to allies.
• Onlookers are amenable, take +1 forward to asking favors.
• Someone reveals something, they would rather not have.

One a 10+, pick another one or add Team to the pool.[/list]
Lucky Traveller - When your traveling party scores a 7-9 to Spend Time In The Wilderness etc., you may step up the result to 10+. Time must pass, before you do so again.

Duellist - Pick a favorite kind of weapon. When you engage in a duel against a worthy opponent wielding such, take +1.


The Rat

You grew up under their boots. How will you pay them back?

• Where did you grew up and who were the oppressors?
• How did you get out?
• Who or what is one good thing you miss from back there?

Wasn't Me - When you score a partial hit while sneaking, you may also cause some expensive property damage as a diversion and keep going (instead of the usual options).

Rats in the System - You can open locks and manipulate complex (mago-)mechanical devices. When you plan on doing so, the GM will tell you how long it takes: Moments, minutes, hours, days. Roll +Lucky. On a hit, it works. On a 10+, you are one category faster and add a Team to the pool.

Fair Play is for Fools - When you attack an unsupecting target, either because they are unaware of you or could not fathom your approach, you hurt them. That's it. Rolling dice is for suckers.


The Runaway

You gave up home for the road. What are you running from?

• What do you imagine your life will be?
• What made you finally leave?
• What do you miss about home?

What would ... do? - Choose another PC to idolize. You heed their words and deeds. When you spend Team on them or they spend Team on you, it counts double.

Pure of Heart - When you would be affected by hostile magic or are looked for by enemies, roll +X. On a hit, their magic and gaze ignore you. On a 7-9, you lose something or find yourself in a bad spot.

Rare Talent - Pick some certain theme of rituals. You are assumed to always be at an appropriate place for them. You own an object containing one formula matching that theme.

Inquisitive -


The Emissary

You are no longer of this world and age. With what right do you meddle?

• What place do you come from?
• How are you out of touch with here and now?
• What is the still very much the same?

Unleash - When you bring out the big gun - probably methaphorical -, roll +any one stat you currently like. On a 7-9 hurt them and mark a Curse. On a 10+, hurt them twice, do collateral damage and you cannot use this ability again until time passes.

Supernal Knowledge - You know things you shouldn't. You may ask the GM a question. They will answer. Do not ask again until time passes.

Secret Name - History knows you under another name. One that you keep secret for now. You take +1, when you ask for aid from those who suspect your identity. When you first publicly reveal it, solve one problem, defeat one enemy or do another great deed. Then retire this character or change playbooks as appropriate.


The Dependable

Someone needs to keep a clear head around here, sure. Why does that have to be you?

• What would you be doing, if you were not here?

Someone your Size - When you want an enemy's attention, you get it. Then roll +X. On a 7-9 pick one, on a 10+ pick two.

• Take +1 forward and take an opportunity against that foe.
• Clear a Curse.
• Add Team to the pool.

Dinner's Ready - When you cook for your party,...

Und ein erster Blick auf die Ancestry Playbooks. Die sind gewissermaßen optional. Man könnte auch nur mit den Origin Playbooks spielen. Oder theoretisch nur Ancestry Playbooks. Das ist aber wahrscheinlich nicht so lohnend.

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Ancestry Playbooks


The Human

Divine Connection - The gods have a higher chance of answering you. When you perform a ritual for divine guidance, you can always do it in minutes, and may roll +Graceful, alternatively you know the prayer formulas by heart.

Never Give Up - When lives are threatened, say them nay and immediately clear a Curse. Time must pass before you do so again.

Alliance Builders - When you ask for aid and it's in their best interest, take another +1.


The Dwarf

Stonesoul - You may mark the Curse of Stone twice. You can feel the composition and dimensions of stone you touch.

Glamour - You can lay glamorous illusions over objects. A stick might look like a sword. Lead appears gold. A broken thing seems whole. A glamoured object might work just like it's made to appear. The false sword cuts. The broken things works again. When a glamour is so tested or its appearance doubted by another, roll +Migthy. On a 7-9, cracks appear in the disguise and the glamour will surely break after the next test. When you create a new glamour, test all existing glamours.

Spellbreaker - When non-Dwarven magic touches you or you touch it, you may try and unweave it. Roll +X. On a 10+, it is cleanly gone for now. On a 7-9, the magics unloads into the environment, rather unsubtly.


The Elf

Curse of Woods - You have another Curse you can mark: Take -2 to Ask For Help. You might be unmoved, melancholic and not reactive to social clues.

Perceptive - You can see in near darkness and your hearing is sharp. You take +1 to Take in a Scene.

Paths of the Wise - There are hidden paths behind the world. You know where to find them. When your party fails a roll to Travel the Wilderness, you may turn it into a 7-9 leading them through the paths. Time must pass, before you do so again.

Animal Form - You can take the form of an animal from your homelands. Pick one when you take this move: It is big as a horse, it can fly, it is small and unconspicous (take +1 to Sneak). Once you change back, you cannot assume your other body again until you clear a Curse, or have the opportunity to do so. Change back immediately when you fail a roll in your other body, in addition to whatever else might happen.


The Gob

Big - You are big. You can lift great weight and carry a lot. Take +1 to Mighty. You cannot also be small.

Small - You are small. You fit tight spaces others do not. Take +1 to Sneak and Hackle. You cannot also be big.

Beastly - You feature animalistic traits. Pick three: doggish nose or snake's tongue (can discern people, track), cat's eyes (see in near dark), teeth and claws (never unarmed), thick fur (do not get cold), amphibious, ape-ish climb.

Handy - If your only witnesses are other Gobs, you perform manual tasks with three times the speed.

Regenerate - When you overdraw on Curses, you may reroll your dice. No matter the new result, your body changes. Describe your changes and shift one point from one stat to another.

Ich überlege noch an einem Ancestry Playbook für alles Andere. Das Problem ist, dass es das schwer macht, da was hinzuschreiben. Nun, ja.